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  • September 18, 2022
    4:00 pm - 5:30 pm

Getting kicked out of school:  Redeeming your reputation

Learning How to Apply David Epston’s Inventions

with Kay Ingamells & David Epston (Auckland, New Zealand)

September 18, 2022 Collab Salon: 4:00 – 5:30 pm NY time

David Epston has invented many imaginative, and startlingly successful ways of disappearing problems for children and young people, which he has documented in stories from his practice in many publications. While the August 2022 Collab focuses on reviving David’s longstanding work with the problem of stealing, this  complementary Collab will introduce an approach for those young people who have been stood down or have been threatened with expulsion from their high school.

A New Series: Illustrating with recent examples from her own practice with children and young people, Kay presented our August 15, 2021 Collab Salon Temper Tantrum Parties & Learning How to Apply David Epston’s Inventions and showed us how she has been successful in just two sessions. A new series was born applying David Epston’s Inventions to Disappear Problems.

Co-presented by David Espton and Kay Ingamells, this series will engage with what Cheryl Mattingly refers to as ‘moral laboratories’ and the “responsive and experimental Narrative Self'” where one is compelled to confront the excessiveness of  a demand and the call for self-making as a kind of moral experiment…(Mattingly, C. in Moral Engines: Exploring the Ethical Drives in Human Life(2017); Mattingly, C.(2014), Moral Laboratories: Family Peril and the Struggle for a Good Life).

Learning Objectives

The program supported me to:

  1. Forge a moral dilemma between how a person’s misconduct has earned them  a ‘bad reputation’ and what those at school do not know about them(the counter-reputation)
  2. Invite the young person to repudiate the bad reputation by engaging directly with its source- the Problem and face the challenge of redeeming their reputation.
  3.  Identity actions, ceremonies and rituals in which the young person proves the Problem wrong about them while morally re-identifying themselves as a worthy candidate for a good reputation.
  4. Arrange for ‘tests of moral character’ in which the young person then faces those who have been harmed or offended in the past and who are now recruited as ‘jurors’ in a hastily constructed ‘moral courtroom of everyday life”

To Review


David Epston

David Epston (Auckland, New Zealand) David Espton, co-founder of narrative therapy alongside Michael white, brings a sense of wonder, adventure and innovation to his conversations and collaborations. What makes a good question? What guides inquiry in narrative therapy? What are some narrative lines of inquiry? The collaboration between David and Michael began in the late 1970s, as continued for many years. David’s best known publications are White and Epston(1990), Narrative Means to Therapeutic Ends; Freeman, Epston and Lobovits(1997), Playful Approaches to Serious Problems: Narrative Therapy with Children and their Families and Maisel, Epston and Borden(2004), Biting The Hand That Starves You: Inspiring Resistance to Anorexia/Bulimia, Narrative Therapy in Wonderland.

For more information, please review: David Epston: Improvisations, innovations and collaborations.

Kay Ingamells M.S.W., (Auckland, New Zealand) has been working with individuals, children, young people and families since 1990. Kay began her career working with troubled young people and children in residential care and in specialist agencies,  then spent nine years working in child and adolescent mental health. For the past ten years she has lectured in narrative therapy in higher education at undergraduate and post-graduate level and has been running a private therapy and counselling practice for children, families, young people and adults. For the last 12 years she has been supervised by the co-inventor of Narrative Therapy, David Epston, and has taught alongside David for the last 5 years. Kay has published several articles. She is currently writing and presenting about her apprenticeship with David Epston. She also provides one-on-one and group training called ‘Training Through Transcripts’, to narrative practitioners committed to bringing David’s practices into their own work.


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