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  • September 17, 2023
    4:00 pm - 5:30 pm

The Power of Resonance and Transport: 

Experiences of a Narrative Reflecting Team

With Julie Welkowitz, Diane Gottlieb, Linda Wackerman, Krista Reinke, Linda Li, Aida Luce (Burlington Vermont, USA)

Sunday, September 17, 2023: 4:00 – 5:30 NY time

Definitional ceremonies deal with the problems of invisibility and marginality; they are strategies that provide opportunities for being seen and in one’s own terms, garnering witnesses to one’s worth, vitality and being. (Myerhoff, 1986, as cited in White, 2007 p.181).1

The concepts of resonance (how one relates to the expressions of another individual) and transport (how one is moved by these expressions to think or act in new ways) are central to this process of the definitional ceremony.  They provide the means by which individuals feel seen and understood by outsider witnesses. As opposed to more traditional psychotherapies that shy away from clinician self-disclosure, Narrative therapy has embraced resonance and transport as a means of creating connection and underscoring alternative stories. The use of the Narrative reflecting team model is a key vehicle for incorporating outsider witnesses and having them share the ways in which they are affected by the dialogue between therapist and client.  This in turn can have a powerful effect on supporting the preferred stories and values of the client.

The Vermont Center for Narrative Practice (VCNP) has been utilizing a narrative reflecting team consultation model that incorporates the 4 part “Retelling” process outlined by Michael White (2005, p. 190)1 for outsider witnesses: 1) Expression 2) Image 3) Personal Resonance 4) Transport.  Through our conversation together at the Collab Salon, our aim is to share our experiences as a team particularly with the processes of resonance and transport and to learn how participants have also incorporated these elements into their own narrative practices (whether through reflecting teams or not). It is our hope that this dialogue will foster new understandings of these mechanisms and move us to consider different ways of incorporating these outsider witness practices into our work with others.

1 White, M. (2007). Maps of Narrative Practice.  New York: WW Norton & Co.

Learning Objectives

Our Hopes for Co-Learning:

  • Deconstruct the concepts of Resonance and Transport
  • Identify clinical experiences that were transformative for both the clinician and client because of the use of Resonance and Transport and reflect on why
  • Consider the ways in which Resonance and Transport can be incorporated into narrative practices with and without reflecting teams
  • Practice the application of Resonance and Transport through the experience of being an outsider witness within the context of this discussion


Diane Gottlieb, Psychologist-Doctorate, LICSW helps people identify their problems, minimize the influence of these problems and works with her clients to develop new ways of living.  Diane’s work includes helping people who experience mood, anxiety, trauma related difficulties, relationship issues, and life transitions.  She is also knowledgeable in working on culturally sensitive issues. She co-founded the non-profit organization, Networks, Inc. in 1974 and has worked with individuals, couples, families and groups for over 50 years. A Licensed Psychologist-Doctorate and Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker, Diane  consults with organizations focusing on team building, strategic planning and management skills.  Diane has written articles on couples therapy, children and depression, and 9/11. Since the 1980’s, Diane has been working as part of a team, originally as a trainer and facilitator and now as part of the Vermont Center on Narrative Practices, a narrative consultation team. Diane also trains and supervises mental health professionals.

Aida Luce M.A LCMCH is in private practice with Linda Wackerman at Water’s Edge Psychotherapy in Burlington, Vermont. She specializes in working with couples and families. She has been a part of the Vermont Center for Narrative Practice (VCNP) team for over 8 years, a group of 8 clinicians who collaborate in a training and consultation practice with individuals, couples, and families. Aida originally graduated from Antioch University in 1990, and worked for several years in a community-based family practice in Middlebury, Vermont. Subsequently, she was affiliated with other clinical practice organizations, including Kaiser Health and Networks in Burlington, Vermont, before establishing her own current private practice. She has had extensive training in sensory motor therapy and EMDR. She specializes in working with issues of trauma, using a narrative lens in her practice.

Linda Lai Nga Li, LICSW was born and raised in Hong Kong. She speaks Cantonese, English and Mandarin. Before obtaining her MSW from UVM in 2010, she was an interpreter. She has almost 20 years of experience working with refugees and immigrants.  She’s now working at Northeastern Family Institute (NFI) in Vermont as a program clinician and trainer. She keeps her interpretation connection by training interpreters on mental health topics and providing training to providers on how to work with interpreters. She specializes in working with diverse populations, especially multilingual and multicultural families. She is a certified Child-Parent Psychotherapy (CPP) provider. She devotes her practice and time to racial justice issues.  She was the Board President of the National Association of Social Workers (NASW), Vermont Chapter from 2020-2022. She’s the current Chair of the JEDI (Justice Equity Diversity Inclusion) Committee of NASW and a steering committee member of the Racial Justice Alliance Wellness Committee.

Krista Reincke, LICSW, Psy.D. is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist and Licensed Independent Clinical Social Worker. She is co-founder and acting secretary and treasurer of Green Mountain Aid, Inc (GMAID). Dr. Reincke has over thirty years of experience working with a variety of ages and presenting problems in a wide array of clinical settings. Currently, she practices through her private practice in Burlington, VT and is Clinical Supervisor and Trainer through New England Survivors of Torture and Trauma (NESTT). She is also Adjunct Clinical Assistant Professor at the University of Vermont. Recently, she co-founded Green Mountain Aid, Inc.(GMAID) a non-profit organization envisioning a world where all refugees and asylees enjoy secure lives with dignity and meaning. Dr. Reincke’s work is significantly influenced by Narrative Therapy. She has taught two Narrative Therapy classes, attends many trainings and has been a member of Vermont Center for Narrative Practice (VCNP), a narrative therapy consulting team,  for ten years.

Dr. Reincke’s experience includes a) group, family, and individual therapy; b) psychological assessment; c) mood, anxiety, and trauma related difficulties, ADHD, Learning Disabilities, Developmental disabilities and parent guidance. She has worked in inpatient, residential, and outpatient settings. An area of special interest and expertise is providing culturally responsive psychological services and trainings related to immigrants, refugees, and asylum seekers. She hopes to expand the reach of mental health services for this group through GMAID, Inc.

Dr. Reincke is a collaborative, evidence-based, integrative therapist. She combines empirical research, her own clinical expertise, and the individual needs and characteristics of each client to develop effective treatment goals and outcomes. Krista is also trained in EMDR therapy (Eye Movement Desensitization Reprocessing) and uses multiple avenues for effective therapy, including mindfulness, talk and body-based interventions. She works collaboratively with the people and systems involved in the lives of her clients to provide the most comprehensive care. She values cultural sensitivity and strives to provide services in ways that match the values and beliefs of each client.

Julie Welkowitz, Ph.D. integrates her passion for Narrative Practices and systems approaches into her teaching, clinical work and research.  She currently coordinates the Graduate Counseling Program at the University of Vermont, where she embeds post-modern approaches into her classes and supervision and encourages her students to consider the social context of mental health issues. She has also been a long-standing member of the Vermont Center for Narrative Practices (VCNP, previously the Family Therapy Institute of Vermont) where she collaborates with other clinicians in consulting with individuals, families and other systems within the Vermont community.

Dr. Welkowitz received her training in clinical psychology from the University of Vermont.  While there, she became involved in Project Wraparound, which influenced her systems perspective. Upon graduation, she worked for 13 years at the Center on Disability and Community Inclusion at the University of Vermont as Research Assistant Professor, where she was involved in model demonstration and applied research to support the capacity of school systems to better serve students with mental health challenges. Following that, she served as Associate Professor and Assistant Academic Coordinator for the Program in Clinical Mental Health Counseling through Southern New Hampshire University (currently affiliated with Northern Vermont University). A narrative lens serves as a guiding influence for her work.

Linda Wackerman, LICSW, is a clinical social worker who has been a practicing as a therapist for
over 35 years. She has worked with children, adolescents, and adults in a variety of settings,
including outpatient mental health centers, medical clinics, a university counseling program and
in private practice. Linda has considered herself a narrative therapist since the 1990s when she
discovered the work of Michael White and David Epston. More recently, Linda has been
teaching group leadership skills and Narrative Therapy to graduate social work and counseling
students at the University of Vermont.

Linda is currently a participant in two Narrative reflecting teams. The first group is with
colleagues from Seattle who have been meeting for 20+ years to interview each other about
their lives. The second team, VCNP (the Vermont Center for Narrative Practice), Linda joined
10+ years ago after moving to Vermont. This team meets biweekly to interview clients and each
other about their clinical work.


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