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  •  August 21, 2022
     4:00 pm - 5:30 pm

Childhood Stealing & Learning How to Apply David Epston’s Inventions

with Kay Ingamells & David Epston (Auckland, New Zealand)

August 21, 2022 Collab Salon: 4:00 – 5:30 pm NY time

David Epston has invented many imaginative, and startlingly successful ways of disappearing problems for children and young people, which he has documented in stories from his practice in many publications. This Collab revives David Epston’s longstanding work with the problem of stealing, primarily with young people, which he developed in the last 70s/early 80s.

A New Series: Illustrating with recent examples from her own practice with children and young people, Kay presented our August 15, 2021 Collab Salon Temper Tantrum Parties & Learning How to Apply David Epston’s Inventions and showed us how she has been successful in just two sessions. A new series was born applying David Epston’s Inventions to Disappear Problems.

Co-presented by David Espton and Kay Ingamells, this series will engage with what Cheryl Mattingly refers to as ‘moral laboratories’ and the “responsive and experimental Narrative Self'” where one is compelled to confront the excessiveness of  a demand and the call for self-making as a kind of moral experiment…(Mattingly, C. in Moral Engines: Exploring the Ethical Drives in Human Life(2017); Mattingly, C.(2014), Moral Laboratories: Family Peril and the Struggle for a Good Life).

Learning Objectives

The program supported me to:

  1. Forge a moral dilemma between one’s reputation as a stealer and an honest person.
  2. Secure consent for and set ‘honesty tests’ set within a moral community.
  3. Arrange for an honesty party and assist with the expression of a ‘change of heart’ by way of an honesty speech to the attendees.

To Review

Both of these publications are in the NarrativeApproaches Stealing Archives.We also list here their publication information. Most importantly, read the first article, and then if you have time, read the second.

  1. A FAMILY AND COMMUNITY APPROACH TO STEALING KAY INGAMELLS DAVID EPSTON Unitec Institute of Technology, Auckland, New Zealand, Journal of Systemic Therapies, Vol. 32, No. 1, 2013, pp. 43–55 43
  2. Community Approaches  – Real & Virtual- to Stealing by David Epston & Fred Seymour (2008), Down Under and Up Over: Travels with Narrative Therapy, Warrington, AFT Publishing, pps. 139-156.

Recording of August 21, 2022 Collab Salon

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David Epston (Auckland, New Zealand) David Espton, co-founder of narrative therapy alongside Michael white, brings a sense of wonder, adventure and innovation to his conversations and collaborations. What makes a good question? What guides inquiry in narrative therapy? What are some narrative lines of inquiry? The collaboration between David and Michael began in the late 1970s, as continued for many years. David’s best known publications are White and Epston(1990), Narrative Means to Therapeutic Ends; Freeman, Epston and Lobovits(1997), Playful Approaches to Serious Problems: Narrative Therapy with Children and their Families and Maisel, Epston and Borden(2004), Biting The Hand That Starves You: Inspiring Resistance to Anorexia/Bulimia, Narrative Therapy in Wonderland.

For more information, please review: David Epston: Improvisations, innovations and collaborations.

Kay Ingamells M.S.W., (Auckland, New Zealand) has been working with individuals, children, young people and families since 1990. Kay began her career working with troubled young people and children in residential care and in specialist agencies,  then spent nine years working in child and adolescent mental health. For the past ten years she has lectured in narrative therapy in higher education at undergraduate and post-graduate level and has been running a private therapy and counselling practice for children, families, young people and adults. For the last 12 years she has been supervised by the co-inventor of Narrative Therapy, David Epston, and has taught alongside David for the last 5 years. Kay has published several articles. She is currently writing and presenting about her apprenticeship with David Epston. She also provides one-on-one and group training called ‘Training Through Transcripts’, to narrative practitioners committed to bringing David’s practices into their own work.





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