Meet our Training Team

We are a team of experienced narrative therapy practitioners across generations offering an engaging collaborative overview of what guides a narrative approach to counseling with individuals, couples, and families.

Sarah Beth Hughes

Sarah Beth Hughes works as a Couple and Family Therapist in Nelson, BC Canada. She was introduced to Narrative ideas through her work as the North American Distributor of Dulwich Publications throughout the 1990’s. She got the privilege of attending many of Michael White’s training and got inspired to do this kind of work herself. Along the way she also met many of Michael’s colleagues and friends including Peggy Sax who have helped her feed her passion for this work.

Charley Lang
Charley Lang, LMFT, is co-founder of the Narrative Counseling Center in Los Angeles. As director of the Psychology Concentration at Antioch University, his courses include Queer Counseling & Narrative Practice, Documentary Film & the American Psyche, Madness in American History & Film, and Shakespeare Deconstructed: Gender & Power Play. An avid cyclist, gardener and film buff, Lang is an active member of, an online resource for narrative therapy students and practitioners around the world. Always on the lookout for new and inspiring alternative stories, Lang produced and directed several acclaimed documentary films, including the HBO award-winning Gay Cops: Pride Behind the Badge.
Poh Lin Lee
Poh Lin Lee, MA is a Chinese Malaysian Australian woman who comes to practice from multiple locations - narrative therapy practitioner, social worker, co-researcher of trauma/displacement, writer, teacher, film protagonist, and film/creative consultant. She is committed to practices that involve critically reflecting on values, beliefs, and biases and actively working to eliminate systems that maintain unearned privileges and unjust oppressions. For many years, Poh has created innovative narrative therapy projects and practices regarding family and state violence, displacement (from rights, land, home, body, identity, relationships), liminality, and reclaiming practices of staying with experience and preference. She collaborated on the award-winning film Island of the Hungry Ghosts (2018) with director Gabrielle Brady. Poh is on the teaching faculty of the Dulwich Centre, the teaching faculty & Board of Re-Authoring Teaching; an honorary clinical fellow of the School of Social Work and a lecturer for Film and Television, University of Melbourne; on the International Advisory Committee of the Latin American Journal of Clinical Social Work, the Editorial Board of the International Journal of Narrative Therapy and Community Work and a sessional facilitator for Dokomotive Collective Filmhaus Köln Attagirl DocX Archive Lab International Documentary Association, The Flaherty and The Pritzker Pucker Studio Lab for the Promotion of Mental Health via Cinematic Arts.
Rocio Ocampo-Giancola

Rocio was born in Mexico. As a young child, Rocio migrated to California and lived as an undocumented person in California. Rocio's status and journey as an immigrant have informed her work with communities in California. Rocio has been involved in community work for most of her life. She obtained her master's in counseling in 2006 from San Diego State University and is a licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in California, She is passionate about questioning colonial practices in mental health and depathologizing mental health practices. For many years, Rocio worked at a non-profit community clinic, helping serve the most marginalized and impoverished communities. She has extensive practice with adolescents, having been a school counselor for 15 years. Rocio also provided short-term therapy for 15 years at an immigrant detention facility. Rocio has provided training, served as an adjunct professor, and supervised and worked with families and children. Helping people on the brink of Suicide and listening to people process sexual assault and trauma has been a focus of her work. Rocio is passionate about using narrative inquiry and practices while she supervises and trains future therapists at a women's substance facility where women are trying to reclaim their lives from substance use. She currently has a private practice and works with youth, their families, and individuals seeking to live a life they prefer. Rocio enjoys time on the beach, baking with her husband and daughters, and walking her dog Sahara.

Lynne Rosen

Lynne V. Rosen, LCSW (Pasadena, California) has been engaged in therapeutic work for over 36 years in medical, residential, inpatient, community, and private practice settings. She found her therapeutic and philosophical home in the early 90s when she traveled to New York to hear Michael White and David Epston. During the past several decades, she has focused her attention on integrating somatic-inspired EMDR, Somatic Therapies, and Interpersonal Neurobiology (IPNB) with a Narrative approach in a way that remains philosophically and ethically aligned. Lynne has worked toward unsettling Western ideologies and practices related to body-based/somatic therapies and ecotherapy, moving toward more inclusive anti-racist and decolonizing practices and cultural somatics. Co-constructing different kinds of scaffolding using sensations, images/visual metaphors, dreams, radical imagination, and memories in less linear ways creates space for greater agency, reclamation, a sense of aliveness, and new possibilities for relating to ourselves, community members, and the other-than-human world. An Embodying Conversations course is in process for Re-Authoring Teaching. Lynne continues to feel passionate about teaching, supervising, and public conversation work, and for many years, she had the privilege of working as Core Faculty and Director of the Postmodern Therapy Training Program at PGI and Co-Founder of WPLA (Women’s Project Los Angeles).

Peggy Sax
Peggy Sax, PhD (Cornwall, Vermont), is the founder and Executive Director of Re-Authoring Teaching – this global learning community of narrative therapy practitioners, teachers, and enthusiasts. Having apprenticed herself to narrative therapy since the early 1990s, Peggy has worked for several decades in independent practice as a licensed psychologist/family therapist, consultant, teacher and international trainer. Previously, she worked in several innovative public sector programs including birth to three infant development, intensive home-based services, parent child centers, and community mental health. Peggy is the author of several articles and the book, Re-Authoring Teaching: Creating a Collaboratory. Whether online, on-the-road or within her beautiful home state of Vermont, it gives her great joy to bring together favorite people, ideas, and practices – to learn, engage, play, and replenish together.
Kitty Thatcher
Kitty Thatcher, MA, is a clinical psychologist born in Australia and currently residing in Chile. She was first introduced to narrative ideas during her Masters in Child and Adolescent Clinical Psychology in Systemic Therapies at the Universidad de Chile and has since engaged in an apprenticeship with David Epston, Tom Carlson and Kay Ingamells which consolidated narrative therapy as her primary therapeutic approach. Kitty has worked with children and adolescents and their families in community health centers and non-government organizations in both rural and urban settings in Australia and Chile. She is particularly drawn to collective practices and has facilitated the creation of groups in which art and poetry serve to connect and embolden others, drawing on the know-how of the ‘anti anorexia league’ to form contemporary counterparts. Her research interests have focused on multiculturalism in therapy, children's experiences of domestic family violence, as well as the practice of 'self-starving', more commonly referred to as disordered eating. She has recently opened a private practice in Santiago, Chile while she continues to dedicate herself to writing projects. In 2024, Kitty joined the Re-authoring Teaching USA as a consultant and proud member of the team.
Akansha Bye-Vaswani

Akansha Vaswani-Bye, PhD is a licensed counseling psychologist born and raised in Mumbai and currently lives in Seattle. She is a principal faculty member in the SPIRIT (Supporting Psychosis Innovation through Research, Implementation, & Training) Center in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at the University of Washington. Her current research and training efforts are focused on developing and supporting the family peer community who care for loved ones living with the effects of problematic psychotic states. She is also an attending psychologist at an HIV primary care clinic located in a public hospital in Seattle. She is leading and co-leading research projects that are adapting a single-session narrative therapy approach aimed at improving access to mental health care among people living with HIV and at risk for HIV in integrated and community-based care settings. As a doctoral scholar, her research focused on the ethical and medical-legal issues that arise in psychiatry due to academic-industry relationships and solutions for reform. She was first introduced to narrative practices when she worked at Ummeed Child Development Center in Mumbai where she was fortunate to learn these ideas from Peggy Sax, Shona Russell, Maggie Carey, and Jehanzeb Baldiwala. She has been a Board Member of Re-Authoring Teaching since 2016.

Navid Zamani

Navid Zamani, PhD: “I’m an Iranian-American man who was born and raised in Southern California. I was raised in the Los Angeles and Orange County areas, until I moved to Davis, CA to continue my studies. After acquiring my BA in Psychology and minor in Music from UC Davis, I moved to San Diego to continue my studies at San Diego State University in Marriage and Family Therapy. I have resided in San Diego since 2010 and have fallen in love with the cultures, geography, food and music.

There are threads in my life that have been constant, and initiatives that have developed due to opportunities at the time and/or my location. Music has always been a big part of my life, and I continue to enjoy playing the piano/keys and the drum kit. I am an avid surfer, and enjoy outdoor activities with my wife, such as camping, hiking and biking around San Diego. Reading and writing have always been a pleasure of mine, and academia became a natural fit in this way. Gardening is also one of my obsessions and I also really love my dog. All of these hobbies are situated within a framework of experiences that come along with identifying as a heterosexual male, an Iranian-American and the experiences of biculturalism that accompany that, my ability to speak Farsi and English, my education, and the values I hold.

I grew up observing the charitableness of my family, and connected with the sense of urgency and gratitude that they experienced from helping others. I watched my mom always donate her time and money to the underprivileged and underserved. I watched my aunts (who are educators in Iran) advocate and stand up for students who often didn’t have a voice. I am continuously grounded by the love and compassion my wife models in her daily life. I truly believe that my community’s health impacts my health, and I am dedicated in supporting those in need.”

Larry Zucker
Larry Zucker is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Los Angeles, United States, where he has been practicing family therapy and training therapists for over 30 years. He offers occasional trainings through the Southern California Counseling Center and the Miracle Mile Community Practice (MMCP) and offers supervision through MMCP. He created an online couples therapy course offered through Re-authoring Teaching: Escaping Blame: Helping Couples Develop Account-ability. A chapter about his work with couples is in press in An Encyclopedia of Radical Helping, edited by Chris Hoff and to be published by Thick Press in the fall of 2024. A podcast interview about his couple work with Chris is listed below as well as a brief video presented at the Dulwich Centre’s Meet the Author series.
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Our Approach to Customized Training

We are experienced teachers in narrative therapy’s philosophical foundations, key concepts, and ethical considerations, such as the narrative metaphor, double-listening, the role of questions in narrative inquiry, practices that divide the person from the problem, staying close to the idea that people are the experts of their own lives and witnessing practices that link lives and build community. As narrative practitioners, each of our teammates carries unique skills and experiences, as expressed in our bios below.  Building on our deep respect for narrative therapy and our mentors, we honor the spirit of adventure and innovation envisioned by cofounders Michael White and David Epston, setting the stage to explore new horizons in attending to affect, the body, the effects of trauma, and intercultural considerations in our narrative work with people experiencing difficulties in their lives and relationships. 

Training in Narrative Practice

Each training can draw material from our library of resources and online courses. As experienced practitioners and teachers, we love working together in different combinations in response to a particular request. Our workshops are interactive, engaging and practice-oriented.  Our team had fun brainstorming these options as an à la carte menu to stimulate your appetite and seed your imagination. When applicable, we can invite others with particular expertise in our network to join us. Please get in touch with us with your ideas!

  •  Foundations, Key Concepts & New Horizons
    • What matters most/what is your narrative backbone?/ethical considerations
    • Bringing forward Michael and David’s sense of adventure, innovation, playfulness
    • Narrative Inquiry and interviewing
    • creating a collaboratory and other online innovations
    • Cross-pollinating and collaborating with other cherished approaches
    • What is Contemporary Narrative Therapy?
  • Building on the legacy of Michael White
    • Maps of narrative practice
    • Rich Story Development
    • Prayer and Protest: Practices of Tender Therapy
    • Practices of respect and hospitality
    • Interviewing and witnessing practices
    • The politics of experience
  • David Epston
    • Collaboration, innovation & improvisation
    • Narrative lines of inquiry
    • Counterstorying, Hauntings from the Future, Wonderfulness Enquiries & Possibilities from the Future.
    • playful approaches
  • Trauma, the Body & the Affective Turn
    • Engaging with emotions and affect
    • Embodying Conversations: Integrating EMDR, Cultural Somatics, and Interpersonal Neurobiology with a Narrative Approach.
    • Our multi-storied bodies
    • Multicultural considerations in responding to family and domestic violence
    • Working across linguistic and cultural landscapes and alongside interpreters:
    • Responding to displacement, trauma, liminality, uncertainty
  •  Innovations in writing, research, co-research, supervision and teaching practices
    • Re-membering practices with writing
    • single-session therapy
    • working with transcripts
    • witnessing through letter-writing, outsider witnessing and internalized other interviewing.
    • pedagogy with a focus on practice
  • Across the lifespan and differing contexts
    • working with children, adolescents, families, and schools
    • innovative work with couples, queer counseling, death and dying, refugee populations, people seeking asylum when there has been harm/violence, and other specific contexts
    •  applications of the migration of identity metaphor
    • intergenerational explorations
    • single session counseling
    • unique situations such as the unhoused, HIV, psychotic experiences
    • Exploring the cancer experience
    • Working with families in transition
    •  sex, sexuality and gender.
  • Expressive arts
    •  Engaging with arts, music, filmmaking, and other creative contributions
    • Sandplay, non-extractive approaches
    • Ethics in the creative process
    • Accompanying creative process and relational art-making
    • Engaging with lived experience, liminality, discovery, and creative process
  • Beyond the therapy room
    • Indoor, Urban, and Outdoor Ecotherapy
    • Home visiting
    • Linking lives, peer support and neighborly ways of being
    • Public conversations work around divisive issues
    • Collective practices

Do you have a particular context in which you would like additional training? Contact us. We will work together to create unique, customized training to fit your request.